Legislature(2005 - 2006)SENATE FINANCE 532

04/26/2005 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE


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* first hearing in first committee of referral
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+ SB 171 NPR-A COMMUNITY GRANT PROGRAM TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ SB 174 EXEMPT UHAULS FROM VEHICLE RENTAL TAX TELECONFERENCED
Moved SB 174 Out of Committee
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
+= SB 97 SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS/CBR TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
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                     SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                 
                          April 26, 2005                                                                                      
                             9:05 a.m.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  convened the meeting  at approximately 9:05:07  AM.                                                          
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Gary Wilken, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Lyda Green, Co-Chair                                                                                                    
Senator Fred Dyson                                                                                                              
Senator Bert Stedman                                                                                                            
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
Senator Lyman Hoffman                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Also Attending:   SENATOR CHARLIE HUGGINS; DEBORAH  GRUNDMANN, Staff                                                          
to  Senator  Huggins; JOHN  NORRIS,  President,  U-Haul  Company  of                                                            
Alaska;  JAMES ARMSTRONG,  Staff to Co-Chair  Wilken; ERIC  SWANSON,                                                            
Director,  Division   of  Administrative  Services,   Department  of                                                            
Administration;   BRAD   THOMPSON,   Director,  Division   of   Risk                                                            
Management,   Department   of  Administration;   JOELLEN   HANRAHAN,                                                            
Director,  Division   of  Administrative  Services,   Department  of                                                            
Community   and  Economic  Development;   JANET  CLARKE,   Assistant                                                            
Commissioner,   Division   of  Finance  and   Management   Services,                                                            
Department  of Health and Social Services;  STEVE ASHMAN,  Director,                                                            
Division of Senior  and Disabilities Services, Department  of Health                                                            
and   Social  Services;   NANCY   SLAGLE,  Director,   Division   of                                                            
Administrative  Services,  Department of Transportation  and  Public                                                            
Facilities;  LINDA  PEREZ,  Administrative   Director,  Division  of                                                            
Administrative  Services,   Office  of  the  Governor;  MIKE  BLACK,                                                            
Director, Division  of Community Advocacy,  Department of  Commerce,                                                            
Community and Economic Development;                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Attending  via Teleconference:    From  an offnet  location:  SYDNEY                                                          
SWENSON, MJ Rentals                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY INFORMATION                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SB 174-EXEMPT UHAULS FROM VEHICLE RENTAL TAX                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The Committee  heard from the sponsor and industry  representatives.                                                            
The bill was reported from Committee.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SB  97-SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS/CBR                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
The Committee  heard from each department with amended  supplemental                                                            
budget requests. The bill was held in Committee.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SB 171-NPR-A COMMUNITY GRANT PROGRAM                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
The  Committee heard  from  the sponsor  and  the bill  was held  in                                                            
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:06:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     SENATE BILL NO. 174                                                                                                        
     "An Act excluding certain trucks from the definition of                                                                    
     'passenger vehicle' for purposes of the passenger vehicle                                                                  
     rental tax; and providing for an effective date."                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
This  was the first  hearing  for this  bill in  the Senate  Finance                                                            
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  CHARLIE HUGGINS,  Sponsor of  the bill,  testified that  in                                                            
2003, a consequence of  the rental vehicle passenger tax legislation                                                            
imposed the tax  to rental vehicles used to move personal  property.                                                            
He was told  this was not  the intent of  the bill and concluded  it                                                            
reasonable  that U-Haul type vehicles  are not in the same  category                                                            
as rental cars. He detailed  the types of vehicles used for hauling.                                                            
This legislation would  repeal the tax for moving vehicles and would                                                            
have a fiscal impact of approximately $275,000.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:08:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dyson  served in  the  legislature  when the  original  tax                                                            
legislation  was considered.  He  agreed with  the  sponsor of  this                                                            
bill's  characterization  that the intent  was that  the rental  tax                                                            
would apply to visitors and would not penalize Alaska residents.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:08:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DEBORAH  GRUNDMANN,  Staff  to Senator  Huggins  was  available  for                                                            
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:09:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SYDNEY SWENSON,  MJ Rentals,  testified via  teleconference  from an                                                            
offnet location, as a dealer  of U Haul vehicles, in support of this                                                            
bill. Most  customers of  her business are  military families.  This                                                            
tax  has caused  a  hardship  for  dealers because  members  of  the                                                            
military  determine that the  rental costs  are too high and  opt to                                                            
have their belongings moved by the military.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:10:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Huggins  added that statistically the rental  truck industry                                                            
has experienced a reduction in business as a result of this tax.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:10:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN NORRIS, President,  U-Haul Company of Alaska testified that the                                                            
intent of  the tax was to  only apply to  visitors and rental  cars.                                                            
Passage  of HB  271 had  unintended  consequences  of taxing  Alaska                                                            
businesses  and  citizens using  trucks  for  transporting  personal                                                            
property.  Year to date,  17 percent fewer  customers are using  the                                                            
company's  services, and the  company has  experienced a 29  percent                                                            
reduction in March 2005.  Over one half of the customers are Alaskan                                                            
residents.  Moving is a stressful  time and  additional tax  adds to                                                            
that  stress.  Municipal  taxes  and  other  charges  significantly                                                             
increase  the  rental  costs.  This  bill  would  provide  the  same                                                            
"relief"  granted to taxi  cabs in previously  adopted legislation.                                                             
Consumer  has  other options.  Industry  associations  support  this                                                            
legislation  and no associations  oppose this  legislation.  This is                                                            
the first year  his company has experienced  decreased sales  and he                                                            
surmised that the additional burden of this tax is a factor.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:14:58 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson asked the number of U Haul operators in Alaska.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:15:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Norris replied  that the company has 49 locations  in the State.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:15:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson asked if  the same decline has been experienced in all                                                            
locations.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:15:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Norris  responded  that the severity  of the  decline varies  by                                                            
region: a higher  decline has occurred  in Sitka, and Anchorage  and                                                            
Fairbanks dealers  have had the most  significant decline.  He noted                                                            
that the company  also has services in the Yukon Territory  and that                                                            
no declines have occurred in the Canadian location.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:15:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson commented that this tax has had an impact.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:16:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson  offered a  motion to report  the bill from  Committee                                                            
with individual recommendations and accompanying fiscal note.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There was no objection  and SB 174 MOVED from Committee  with a zero                                                            
fiscal note #1 from the  Department of Revenue indicating a negative                                                            
$275,000 change in revenues.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:16:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     SENATE BILL NO. 97                                                                                                         
     "An    Act   making    supplemental,    capital,   and    other                                                            
     appropriations, and  reappropriations; amending appropriations;                                                            
     making   appropriations   to   capitalize  funds;   making   an                                                            
     appropriation  under art. IX,  sec. 17(c), Constitution  of the                                                            
     State of  Alaska, from the constitutional budget  reserve fund;                                                            
     and providing for an effective date."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
This  bill  had  been   previously  heard  in  the  Senate   Finance                                                            
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken noted suggested  amendments  to the FY 06  proposed                                                            
supplemental appropriations  budget had been received  from Governor                                                            
Murkowski.    Co-Chair   Wilken    determined   that   departmental                                                             
representatives should  speak to the changes. The Committee reviewed                                                            
a spreadsheet  titled "FY2005 Supplementals" updated  April 22, 2005                                                            
[copy on file.]                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:18:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Wilken  commented   that   statute   requires  that   the                                                            
gubernatorial   administration   submit   all  amendments   to   the                                                            
governor's  supplemental appropriations  budget request by  the 60th                                                            
day  of each  session.  Accommodating  these  amendments  that  were                                                            
submitted  as  late as  the  prior day  has  caused a  hardship.  He                                                            
informed  that he would  work with the  Murkowski Administration  to                                                            
ensure the deadline is adhered to in the future.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:19:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JAMES  ARMSTRONG,  Staff  to  Co-Chair   Wilken,  pointed  out  that                                                            
proposed  amendments  submitted  prior  to  February  28  have  been                                                            
addressed in previous  hearings. Proposed amendments  received after                                                            
that date would be discussed at this hearing.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:19:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Department of Administration                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Item: 6                                                                                                                    
     Section (in SB 97): 1(d)                                                                                                   
     Results Delivery Unit (RDU): Public Defender Agency                                                                        
     Supplemental Need:  Projected annual caseload increase - PD was                                                            
     reappointed  to several hundred  old cases associated  with the                                                            
     Blakely  decision which rendered  some aspects of the  State of                                                            
     Alaska's   sentencing    framework   unconstitutional.    Also,                                                            
     increases   in  travel  to  remote   courts,  expert   witness,                                                            
     discovery  and  file  storage  costs.  Funding  of  $24,900  in                                                            
     General  Fund/Program Receipts  is from  the Department  of Law                                                            
     from  collections  under Criminal  Rule 39  and Appellate  Rule                                                            
     209.  Also  includes  therapeutic  court  funding  coming  from                                                            
     federal funds  received by the National Council  on Alcohol and                                                            
     Drug Dependency and allocated to State agencies.                                                                           
          April 22: Updated projection reduces the amount of                                                                    
          general funds needed by $87,200.                                                                                      
     $800,000 general funds                                                                                                     
     $20,000 Statutory Designated Program Receipts                                                                              
     $820,000 Total Funds                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
ERIC  SWANSON,  Director,   Division  of  Administrative   Services,                                                            
Department  of  Administration,  testified  that the  Department  is                                                            
continuing  to  determine  the  exact  amount   necessary  and  this                                                            
amendment represents the most current estimate.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:20:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Item: 7                                                                                                                    
     Section: 1(e)                                                                                                              
     RDU: Risk Management                                                                                                       
     Supplemental  Need: Two major claims against  the State's self-                                                            
     insurance  deductible  ($1 million per  loss) for catastrophic                                                             
     losses  have  been  incurred:  Fairbanks  Correctional   Center                                                            
     $1,000,000   (total  cost   is  just   over  $1  million)   and                                                            
     Fairweather hull damage $350,000.                                                                                          
          March 9: Cost estimate for the Fairbanks Correctional                                                                 
          Center is reduced by $150,000 to $850,000.                                                                            
          April 5: Two more claims have occurred: damage to P/V                                                                 
          Enforcer $225,000 and Dillingham DOT equipment storage                                                                
          building fire on Feb 12 $670,000.                                                                                     
     $2,095,000 general funds                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Swanson  noted  the two  incidences  that  occurred  after  the                                                            
initial supplemental budget request was submitted.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:21:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson  asked if this supplemental  request includes  funding                                                            
required  as the result  of the  State losing  a wrongful  discharge                                                            
lawsuit.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:21:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Swanson  replied that funding  is not included in this  request.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:21:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken asked if  the State would be reimbursed the $225,000                                                            
necessary to repair the P/V Enforcer.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:21:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Swanson responded  that  the  Division  of Risk  Management  is                                                            
pursuing recovery  of this expense. He was unsure  whether the State                                                            
would receive any reimbursement.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:22:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  suggested  it would  be  appropriate  to  withhold                                                            
funding for  this item in  the current fiscal  year. If recovery  is                                                            
not  received, the  legislature  could  allocate  funds as  a FY  06                                                            
supplemental  appropriation. He understood  that straps holding  the                                                            
vessel  at the  shipyard broke  and that  this occurred  before  the                                                            
State took possession of  the new vessel. He intended to convey that                                                            
the State did not intend to pay the resulting repair costs.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:22:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Swanson noted  the expectation  that  the State  would  receive                                                            
partial reimbursement.  The matter  would continue to be  addressed.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:22:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Item: 9                                                                                                                    
     Section: None                                                                                                              
     RDU: Personnel                                                                                                             
     Supplemental Need: April 5: Costs related to investigation of                                                              
     alleged violation of Ethics Act $40,000.                                                                                   
          April 22: Cost increase of $20,000 to a new total of                                                                  
          $60,000.                                                                                                              
     $60,000 general funds                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Swanson outlined this request.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:23:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson  requested a representative from the  Division of Risk                                                            
Management  address  the  matter  of  the  aforementioned   wrongful                                                            
termination lawsuit.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:24:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRAD THOMPSON, Director,  Division of Risk Management, Department of                                                            
Administration,  testified that the wrongful termination  lawsuit is                                                            
not included  in this funding  request and  that any judgment  would                                                            
not be paid from this insurance fund.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:24:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson asked if  the department would pay the judgment costs.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:24:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thompson  explained  that the  Tort Section  does not defend  in                                                            
these types  of litigation.  He was  unsure if  the ruling would  be                                                            
appealed.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thompson  then  addressed  the  matter  of damage  to  the  P/V                                                            
Enforcer,  informing  that  if the  support  straps did  break,  the                                                            
Division  would aggressively  pursue  every  effort  to recover  the                                                            
repair   expenses  from   the   manufacturer.   However,  he   noted                                                            
contractual  limitations within  the manufacturing  agreement  could                                                            
limit options available for recovery.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:25:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken requested this information in written format.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Department of Community and Economic Development                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:26:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Item: 12                                                                                                                   
     Section: None                                                                                                              
     RDU: Alaska Seafood Marketing Institute                                                                                    
     Supplemental Need: April 5: Additional federal funds awarded                                                               
          1/11/05 for the export market access program, which must                                                              
          be spent in FY 05.                                                                                                    
           April 22: Increase by $20,000 RSS for match.                                                                         
     $1,500,000 federal funds                                                                                                   
     $20,000 Receipt Supported Services funds                                                                                   
     $1,520,000 Total Funds                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JOELLEN HANRAHAN, Director, Division of Administrative Services,                                                                
Department of Community and Economic Development outlined this                                                                  
request.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:27:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Item: 13                                                                                                                   
     Section: None                                                                                                              
     RDU: Alaska Seafood Marketing Institute                                                                                    
     Supplemental Need: April 15: $750,000 of SDPR for herring                                                                  
          promotion in the overseas market. Funding coming from the                                                             
          Alaska Fisheries Marketing Board.                                                                                     
     $750,000 Statutory Designated Program Receipts                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Hanrahan noted this funding was awarded during the April Board                                                              
meeting.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:27:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Item: 11                                                                                                                   
     Section: None                                                                                                              
     RDU: Capital                                                                                                               
     Supplemental Need: Feb. 28: Manufacturing Extension Program                                                                
          capital project is moved from the FY 06 capital budget to                                                             
          the FY 05 supplemental in order to begin the project                                                                  
          earlier.                                                                                                              
     $800,000 federal funds                                                                                                     
     $800,000 BLIC & Corp Receipts                                                                                              
     $1,600,000 Total Funds                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Armstrong noted this item was overviewed at a previous hearing.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Department of Corrections                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:28:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Item: 16                                                                                                                   
     Section: None                                                                                                              
     RDU: Inmate Health Care                                                                                                    
     Supplemental Need: April 22- Costs of unanticipated                                                                        
          catastrophic medical cases                                                                                            
     $490,000 general funds                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MARK ANTRIM, Commissioner,  Department of Corrections,  testified to                                                            
the difficulty  of  the Department  to control  catastrophic  health                                                            
care issues.  To date, the Department  has "absorbed the  expense of                                                            
five or  six of  these instances  including treatment  of a  gunshot                                                            
wound, hip  surgery, heart  bypass surgery  and a patient  requiring                                                            
Medivac from Nome.  Three new cases requiring kidney  dialysis would                                                            
cost  approximately $90,000  and  hospitalization  expenses must  be                                                            
paid for  treatment of an  inmate with liver  disease who has  since                                                            
died. One prisoner  is under review  for release on medical  parole,                                                            
which should reduce expenses to the State.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:30:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken asked these  expenses would be paid from the general                                                            
fund and that no other funding source is anticipated.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:30:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Antrim affirmed  and informed the inmates in these  cases do not                                                            
have other  insurance  coverage. He  noted that  payment of  medical                                                            
expenses is secured  from insurance companies in instances  in which                                                            
an inmate has such coverage.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:30:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Department of Education and Early Development                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Item: 18                                                                                                                   
     Section: 4(b)                                                                                                              
     RDU: Foundation Program                                                                                                    
     Supplemental  Need:  Reduce the  FY 05 entitlement  for  public                                                            
     school  funding by $14,145,500  due to a decrease in  projected                                                            
     enrollment;  an increase  in the amount  of federal impact  aid                                                            
     that reduces  the amount of state  aid; and the actual  cost of                                                            
     the supplemental funding floor.                                                                                            
          March 9: An additional decrease of $47,000                                                                            
     -$14,192,500 general funds                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  commented  that  because this  item  represents  a                                                            
funding reduction, no explanation is necessary at this time.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:30:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Item: 22                                                                                                                   
     Section: 7(a)                                                                                                              
     RDU: Debt Retirement Fund                                                                                                  
     Supplemental   Need:  Increased  capitalization   of  the  Debt                                                            
     Retirement  Fund  to  supplant  a shortfall  in  cigarette  tax                                                            
     revenue into  the School Fund - the estimate  for cigarette tax                                                            
     revenue  is reduced  by $800,000  from $30.2  million to  $29.4                                                            
     million.   This  fully  funds  the  School  Construction   Debt                                                            
     Reimbursement program  in FY 05. (Original request consisted of                                                            
     $551,100  general funds, $3,500 federal UR Rcpts,  and $254,400                                                            
     DEED CIP Equity Account.)                                                                                                  
     $0 DEED CIP Equity funds                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken noted this section of the bill would be deleted.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:30:58 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Department of Health and Social Services                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Item: 29                                                                                                                   
     Section: 8(e)                                                                                                              
     RDU: Public Assistance: Adult Public Assistance                                                                            
     Supplemental  Need:  Savings  due  to  caseload  reduction  and                                                            
     programmatic  changes,  particularly  last  year's  changes  to                                                            
     interim assistance.                                                                                                        
          April 22: Additional savings of $500,000 to be used to                                                                
          fund the breast and cervical cancer screening                                                                         
          supplemental request of $500,000.                                                                                     
     -$2,538,800 general funds                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
JANET  CLARKE,  Assistant  Commissioner,  Division  of  Finance  and                                                            
Management  Services,  Department  of Health  and  Social  Services,                                                            
explained  the  suggestion  of  utilizing  the  additional  $500,000                                                            
savings  to fund the  breast and  cervical cancer  program;  funding                                                            
that was originally  requested in the FY 05 Fast Track  supplemental                                                            
proposal.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:31:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  clarified  that the  need  for funding  the  Adult                                                            
Public  Assistance  program  has decreased  and  the  Department  is                                                            
requesting  the funds  be  transferred to  the breast  and  cervical                                                            
cancer-screening program.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke affirmed.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:32:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dyson  again asked  about  the  lawsuit  claiming  wrongful                                                            
discharge  of an  employee.  He asked  Ms. Clarke  if  the State  is                                                            
appealing the court decision.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke did not know.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:32:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson  asked if the ruling were not overturned,  whether the                                                            
judgment  would be paid  from the  Department of  Health and  Social                                                            
Services budget.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:32:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke  surmised that  a funding  request would  be made  to the                                                            
legislature by the Department  of Law as a judgment and claims item.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:32:58 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Item: 34                                                                                                                   
     Section: None                                                                                                              
      RDU: Behavioral Health: Behavioral Health Medicaid Svc                                                                    
     Supplemental Need:  Medicaid caseload growth above FY 05 budget                                                            
     projections.   At  current  expenditure   rate,  the   existing                                                            
     appropriation   will be  gone  in  April  or  May. (Originally                                                             
     requested  as part of the Fast Track supplemental,  but was not                                                            
     included  in  the final  version  because  funds  were not  yet                                                            
     needed.)                                                                                                                   
     $2,653,700 general funds                                                                                                   
     $3,517,700 federal funds                                                                                                   
     $6,171,400 Total Funds                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Armstrong  explained the determination  that this item  could be                                                            
funded  in  this  bill  rather  than  the  fast track  supplemental                                                             
appropriation.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken assumed that the funds would be required.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke affirmed.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:33:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Item: 35                                                                                                                   
     Section: None                                                                                                              
     RDU: Health Care Services: Women's and Adolescents Services                                                                
     Supplemental  Need: Feds reduced  FFY 05 funding in  the Breast                                                            
     and  Cervical Cancer  screening program.  The $500,000  general                                                            
     funds  will  continue services  to  1,600 enrolled  women  that                                                            
     otherwise  would not  be served. (Originally  requested  in the                                                            
     Fast Track supplemental bill, but not funded.)                                                                             
     $500,000 general funds                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  noted this item relates to the aforementioned  Item                                                            
#29.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:33:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Item: 36                                                                                                                   
     Section: None                                                                                                              
     RDU: Behavioral Health: Srvcs to Chronically Mentally Ill                                                                  
     Supplemental Need:  April 15: Reappropriation of expected FY 05                                                            
     lapse  of MHTAAR funds to complete  the Community Planning  and                                                            
     the  Independent  Case Management  projects  in FY  06, in  the                                                            
     amounts of $110,000 and $89,200, respectively.                                                                             
     $0                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke  explained this  request would extend  the lapse  date of                                                            
Mental Health  Trust Authority authorized  receipt funds  previously                                                            
appropriated for  these projects. The Mental Health  Trust Authority                                                            
approved this action.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:34:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Item: 37                                                                                                                   
     Section: None                                                                                                              
     RDU: Pioneers Homes                                                                                                        
     Supplemental Need: April 22- Appropriate excess receipts for                                                               
          the purchase of needed equipment for the Pioneer Homes                                                                
     $450,000 Receipt Supported Services funds                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke stated  these receipts were collected in  FY 04 and FY 05                                                            
and  discovered in  a March  2005  budget review  to  have not  been                                                            
appropriated.   Some  dispute  exists  in  the  amount   of  receipt                                                            
supported services  funds that should  be included in the  operating                                                            
budget.  The Department  is therefore  suggesting  appropriation  of                                                            
these funds as a one time  capital appropriation for the purchase of                                                            
equipment. She noted the extensive list of equipment needs.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:35:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Item: 38                                                                                                                   
     Section: None                                                                                                              
     RDU: Sr. Dis. Srvcs: Sr Res Srvcs                                                                                          
      Supplemental Need: April 22: Additional funding for the                                                                   
          Kotzebue Senior Citizens Center residential care grant.                                                               
     $200,000 general funds                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke informed that  the Department became aware of a reduction                                                            
in FY 05 for the residential  senior services program at this senior                                                            
center. It  was anticipated  that this shortfall  would be  replaced                                                            
with Medicaid  funding. However it  has been difficult to  get those                                                            
residents  eligible  for  Medicaid  coverage.  This  request  is  to                                                            
utilize general funds                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:36:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  asked if the expectation  was that federal  funding                                                            
would be received but those funds were not appropriated.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke affirmed.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:36:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green asked if  the situation would be rectified for FY 06.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke  assured  the Department  and the  Kotzebue center  would                                                            
diligently pursue reinstatement  of the funding. General funds would                                                            
therefore not be requested for this purpose for FY 06.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:36:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  asked if legislative intent language  on this matter                                                            
would be "rigorously enforced statewide."                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke answered it would.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:36:58 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Item: 39                                                                                                                   
     Section: None                                                                                                              
     RDU: Senior and Disabilities Medicaid Services                                                                             
      Supplemental Need: April 22: Additional funding needed                                                                    
     $7,621,400 general funds                                                                                                   
     $10,345,300 federal funds                                                                                                  
     $17,966,700 Total Funds                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke  pointed  out this  is the  largest funding  request  and                                                            
commented  it  is  her least  favorite  program  that  includes  the                                                            
personal care  attendant program that  funds the waiver and  nursing                                                            
home services.  She reminded that  the original request in  the Fast                                                            
Track supplemental  was for  $53 million,  and that the legislature                                                             
already  has appropriated  that  amount.  Projections  at that  time                                                            
estimated  expenditures  at  approximately  $20 million  per  month;                                                            
however,  the actual  cost  has been  higher  for each  month  since                                                            
December  2004.  Therefore,  the Department  had  no option  but  to                                                            
request additional funding.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke  stressed  this program  requires  regulation changes  to                                                            
reduce  eligibility  access.  She told  of an  audit  report on  the                                                            
program  that  she would  share  with the  legislators.  The  report                                                            
determined  that  the  entire  program  requires  reform,  including                                                            
significant management  controls. The program has expanded at a rate                                                            
faster  than  current  regulations  have  the  ability  to  control.                                                            
Legislative intent language  proposed for the FY 06 operating budget                                                            
directing  the Department  to adopt regulations  to close  loopholes                                                            
has the support of the  Department. These efforts must be monitored.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Clarke   warned  that  legislators   would  likely   hear  from                                                            
constituents  as  these  regulations  and  management  controls  are                                                            
implemented.  The  Department   is committed   to  making  necessary                                                            
changes to ensure the same  appropriation requests are not submitted                                                            
for FY 07.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Clarke qualified  that  a portion  of the  increased  expenses,                                                            
relating to  nursing home costs, was  unanticipated. The  Department                                                            
is reviewing  the matter to determine  if this is the result  of new                                                            
"beds" being  made available. Some  cost increase was expected,  but                                                            
the  actual  increase is  ten  percent,  which  is higher  than  the                                                            
predicted amount.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:41:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken informed  that intent language included in the FY 06                                                            
operating budget appropriation  would hopefully assist in containing                                                            
this expense.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:41:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson commented  that this program represents an instance in                                                            
which the good  intentions of empowering families  to care for their                                                            
senior members  has instead enabled people to take  advantage of the                                                            
program. He expressed willingness to assist in correcting this.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:42:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green asked  the  consequences if  this  request were  not                                                            
funded.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:42:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Clarke  replied that  if  the  $18 million  requested  in  this                                                            
legislation  were not  appropriated,  the funding  for this  program                                                            
would  be exhausted  as of  June 2005  and the  Department would  be                                                            
unable  to pay the  assisted living  facilities,  nursing homes  and                                                            
other service providers.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:42:52 AM]                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green asked if  the expenditures could be prorated for this                                                            
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke answered that this was not an option.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  suggested this could be considered  for future years                                                            
to avoid similar appropriation requests.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:43:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke spoke of questions  to the legality of prorating Medicaid                                                            
services. When  such options have  been considered in the  past, the                                                            
Department  has  been  advised  of  the  "difficulty"  in  prorating                                                            
Medicaid payments.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:43:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  clarified the State  has no ability to adjust  rates                                                            
in the event of this situation.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:44:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke  affirmed  that the Department  of Law  has advised  that                                                            
emergency regulations  could not be  adopted to prorate payments  as                                                            
the result of a budget crisis.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:44:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman  noted the anticipated public "backlash"  that would                                                            
result  from the  upcoming  regulation changes  to  the program.  He                                                            
asked how those  changes would affect the program  and the amount of                                                            
costs savings projected for FY 07.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:44:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Clarke  told of  14  intent language  items  discussed  by  the                                                            
Department  of Health and Social Services  budget subcommittee  that                                                            
basically relate to reducing  and controlling eligibility and access                                                            
to the program.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:45:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STEVE  ASHMAN,  Director,   Division  of  Senior  and  Disabilities                                                             
Services, Department  of Health and Social Services,  testified that                                                            
the Division is in the  process of drafting regulations to implement                                                            
the 14  intent language  items.  The most significant  change  would                                                            
clearly  define eligibility  for this  program.  This would  involve                                                            
determining  whether the personal  care attendant  would serve  as a                                                            
substitute for  the patient entering a nursing home  or respite care                                                            
facility,  in that the  patient would otherwise  require such  care.                                                            
The  Division  is  also  reviewing  the  definitions  of  qualifying                                                            
disabilities.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:46:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman  asked the  percentage of  the current $240  million                                                            
cost of this program would  be reduced as a result of these changes.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:46:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Ashman replied  that the cost analysis has yet  to be completed.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:47:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman  asked  if  the  estimate  was  two  percent,  five                                                            
percent, or other general amount.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:47:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Ashman estimated  that  a minimum  savings  of  ten percent  is                                                            
expected and that the intent is that the amount would be higher.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:47:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman  calculated a ten-percent  reduction to the  program                                                            
at $24 million.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:47:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke  clarified that the cost  of the personal care  attendant                                                            
portion of the program is approximately $80 million.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:47:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Department of Law                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Item: 40                                                                                                                   
     Section: 9                                                                                                                 
     RDU: Civil Division, Deputy Attorney General's Office                                                                      
     Supplemental Need: Judgments and claims as of 2/7/05 are                                                                   
     $1,108,900                                                                                                                 
          March 9: adds $209,700 for a new total of $1,318,600                                                                  
          April 15: adds $621,400 for a new total of $1,940,000                                                                 
          April 22: adds $51,900 ($2,700 general funds and $49,200                                                              
          PSTF) for a new total of $1,991,900                                                                                   
     $1,942,700 general funds                                                                                                   
     $49,200 Public School Trust Fund                                                                                           
     $1,991,900 Total Funds                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dyson  asked  if  the  aforementioned  wrongful   discharge                                                            
lawsuit is reflected in this item.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:48:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KATHRYN  DAUGHHETEE,  Director,  Administrative  Services  Division,                                                            
Department of  Law, asked if Senator Dyson was referencing  the case                                                            
resulting  from the dismissal  of an employee  from the position  of                                                            
Long Term Care Ombudsman.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson  corrected the lawsuit  he spoke to involved  a former                                                            
human  resources  employee   of Department   of  Health  and  Social                                                            
Services                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Daughhettee  replied  that this  item includes  payment for  one                                                            
employment  related litigation,  which  is different  from the  case                                                            
Senator Dyson  referenced. She noted that funding  for a judgment or                                                            
claim is not requested  until a case is resolved;  if that case were                                                            
appealed,   it  would   not  be   included  in   this  supplemental                                                             
appropriation request.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:49:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson clarified this.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:49:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Item: 47                                                                                                                   
     Section: None                                                                                                              
     RDU: Environmental Law                                                                                                     
     Supplemental Need: April 15: Analysis of continuing injury                                                                 
          from the Exxon Valdez Oil Spill and development of                                                                    
          restoration options; FY 06 lapse date.                                                                                
     $75,000 Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Rest.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken outlined  this item and it was established there was                                                            
no interest in discussion at this time.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:49:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Department of Natural Resources                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Item: 58                                                                                                                   
     Section: None                                                                                                              
     RDU: Agricultural Dev                                                                                                      
     Supplemental Need: April 15: Scope change to sec. 24(n), ch.                                                               
          159,  SLA  2004, for  the Alaska  dairy  industry and  the                                                            
          statewide  economic disaster related to the border closure                                                            
          against ruminants.                                                                                                    
     $0                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken defined "ruminants" are "cud chewing animals."                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:50:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Department of Revenue                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Item: 64                                                                                                                   
     Section: None                                                                                                              
     RDU: Child Support Services Division                                                                                       
      Supplemental Need: Feb 28: Replacement funds for FFY 02                                                                   
          incentives  that were wrongfully  withheld due  to a delay                                                            
          on  the part of the federal  government. Original  request                                                            
          of $602,000 federal funds.                                                                                            
          March 11: Delete request                                                                                              
     $0                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken stated that because this item is deleted,                                                                       
discussion was not warranted at this time.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:50:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Item: 66                                                                                                                   
     Section: 16(a)                                                                                                             
     RDU: School Debt Reimbursement                                                                                             
     Supplemental  Need: Fund  source change  due to a shortfall  in                                                            
     cigarette  tax  revenue  deposits  into  the School  Fund.  The                                                            
     School Fund is reduced  from $30.2 million to $29.4 million and                                                            
     the  Debt Retirement  Fund  is  increased from  $51,670,084  to                                                            
     $52,470,084.                                                                                                               
          March  9: Amendment due  to final reconciliation  of FY 05                                                            
          school  debt reimbursement  needs:  overall the amount  is                                                            
          reduced  $8,838,900 to $73,031,200;  Debt Retirement  Fund                                                            
          is   reduced   by   $11,620,684    from   $51,670,084   to                                                            
          $40,049,400;  and School  Fund is increased by  $2,781,800                                                            
          from $30,200,000 to $32,981,800                                                                                       
          April  5- School Fund revenue  is expected to be  $400,000                                                            
          less  than originally anticipated,  which requires  a fund                                                            
          source switch between the School Fund and the Debt                                                                    
          Retirement Fund in the same amount.                                                                                   
     -$8,838,900 Debt Ret Fund and School Fund                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  remarked  that  discussion  on  this item  is  not                                                            
necessary at this hearing.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:50:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Department of Transportation and Public Facilities                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Item: 70                                                                                                                   
     Section: 17(c)                                                                                                             
     RDU: Capital                                                                                                               
     Supplemental Need: Emergency and Non-routine Maintenance:                                                                  
     Failed railroad crossings, $305,000                                                                                        
     Winter ice storm and avalanche damage, $50,000                                                                             
     Johnson River bridge damage, $218,400                                                                                      
          April 15: Wolverine Road on Lazy Mountain, $170,000                                                                   
     $743,400 general funds                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
NANCY  SLAGLE,  Director,   Division  of  Administrative   Services,                                                            
Department of  Transportation and Public Facilities,  testified that                                                            
a  portion  of the  roadway  of Wolverine  Road  near  Palmer,  slid                                                            
downhill  as  a result  of  the spring  thaw.  This portion  of  the                                                            
request is  to undertake emergency  repairs until permanent  repairs                                                            
could be made in a future project.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:51:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Item: 85                                                                                                                   
     Section: None                                                                                                              
     RDU: Fairbanks Airport Operations                                                                                          
     Supplemental Need: March 11: Utility cost and consumption                                                                  
          increases.                                                                                                            
     $127,700 International Airports Revenue Fund                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Slagle  noted   this   is  similar   to   other  supplemental                                                             
appropriation  requests for  funding to address  increased  costs of                                                            
electricity and  natural gas. The airport staff has  been attempting                                                            
to absorb these  increases in its  regular budget with savings  from                                                            
position  vacancies,   etc.,  but  determined  this   would  not  be                                                            
possible.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Item: 76                                                                                                                   
     Section: 17(i)                                                                                                             
     RDU: Central Region Highways and Aviation                                                                                  
     Supplemental Need: Anchorage snowhaul and equipment fuel.                                                                  
     Utilities, sand and steel cost increases.                                                                                  
     $1,374,400 general funds                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle understood the  concerns about proposed amendments to the                                                            
supplemental  appropriation  request submitted  after the  deadline.                                                            
She  announced that  the  final expenses  for  this  item have  been                                                            
determined  and therefore the originally  requested amount  would be                                                            
reduced by  $100,000 to  reflect actual usage.  The amended  amount,                                                            
not shown on the spreadsheet would be $1,274,400.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:53:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Office of the Governor                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Item: 102                                                                                                                  
     Section: None                                                                                                              
     RDU: Contingency Fund                                                                                                      
     Supplemental Need: March 11: Reimbursement of funds provided                                                               
          To the Department of Commerce, Community and Economic                                                                 
          Development for emergency bulk fuel loans made to small                                                               
          communities, $319,500.                                                                                                
          April 22: Increased costs of $65,700 for two additional                                                               
          small community loans brings the total to $358,200.                                                                   
     $385,200 general funds                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
LINDA PEREZ,  Administrative  Director, Division  of Administrative                                                             
Services, Office  of the Governor,  noted the members had  a list of                                                            
the communities and loan amounts [copy not provided.]                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  asked if these loans  were made through  the Denali                                                            
Commission program, or a different program.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Perez deferred  to the  Department  of Community  and  Economic                                                            
Development.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:54:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken asked if  this request is in addition to the $65,700                                                            
appropriated in the fast track supplemental legislation.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:54:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MIKE BLACK, Director, Division  of Community Advocacy, Department of                                                            
Commerce, Community  and Economic Development, testified  that these                                                            
loans were  made through the Department's  bridge loan program.  The                                                            
funds requested  in this legislation  are separate from the  earlier                                                            
fast track supplemental  appropriation. The bridge  loan program was                                                            
developed the previous year to address high fuel costs.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:55:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken asked what agency receives the loan repayments.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:55:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Black explained  the revolving loan program that  is repaid over                                                            
three years. Communities  borrow from their account held within this                                                            
program and  could borrow  again once the  outstanding balances  are                                                            
repaid.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:55:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman asked  if the  Office of the  Governor ascertained                                                             
that a commitment  was received from  the legislature and  therefore                                                            
allocated these contingency  funds based on the expectation that the                                                            
program would be funded.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Black affirmed.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:56:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Item: 103                                                                                                                  
     Section: None                                                                                                              
     RDU: Executive Office                                                                                                      
      Supplemental Need: April 5: Additional funding for the                                                                    
          Northern Forum.                                                                                                       
     $100,000 general funds                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken noted  this appropriation  is  necessary to  comply                                                            
with a commitment made by the legislature.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:56:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Item: 104                                                                                                                  
     Section: None                                                                                                              
     RDU: Executive Office                                                                                                      
     Supplemental Need: April 13: Work related to the state gas                                                                 
          pipeline and to brining North Slope natural gas to market                                                             
          for FY 05 and FY 06.                                                                                                  
     $500,000 general funds                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Perez told  of the accelerated focus on securing  a contract for                                                            
a natural  gas  pipeline and  the need  for additional  funding  for                                                            
extra travel expenses and other costs.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:57:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Item: 105                                                                                                                  
     Section: None                                                                                                              
     RDU: Multiple                                                                                                              
     Supplemental Need: April 22: Reappropriation of any FY 05                                                                  
          general fund balances within the Office of the Governor                                                               
          for FY 06 operating costs.                                                                                            
     $0                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken asked if this provision is standard language                                                                    
included in all supplemental appropriation legislation.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Armstrong affirmed.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Perez also affirmed.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
The bill was HELD in Committee.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
AT EASE 9:57:47 AM / 10:01:02 AM                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green chaired the remainder of the meeting.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     SENATE BILL NO. 171                                                                                                        
     "An  Act  amending  the National  Petroleum  Reserve  -  Alaska                                                            
     special revenue fund;  and establishing the Special Legislative                                                            
     Oil  and Gas  NPR-A  Development  Impact Review  Committee  and                                                            
     defining its powers and duties."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
This was the first hearing for this bill in the Senate Finance                                                                  
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken, sponsor of the bill, overviewed the documents                                                                  
contained in the bill packets provided to members [copies on file].                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:02:11 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken read the sponsor statement into the record as                                                                   
follows.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Senate  Bill  171 examines  the  National Petroleum  Reserve  -                                                            
     Alaska  (NPR-A) Mitigation  Grant Program  administered  by the                                                            
     Department  of Commerce,  Community,  and Economic Development                                                             
     (DCCED)  and  modifies the  selection  process  to provide  for                                                            
     active oversight by the legislature.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     The bounty  of NPR-A is thought by many to match  or exceed the                                                            
     oil and gas  deposits found at Prudhoe Bay or  Kuparuk.  As was                                                            
     mentioned  in  the Anchorage  Daily  News, February  15,  2005,                                                            
     "(The)  Bureau of  Land Management  estimates  NPR-A  northeast                                                            
     corner could hold  more that 2 billion barrels of crude oil and                                                            
     3.5 trillion cubic feet of natural gas."                                                                                   
     All Alaskans  look forward to the time when they  can enjoy the                                                            
     benefits  of reasonable  and responsible  development of  these                                                            
     natural resources.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     When   members  of   the  United  State   Congress   authorized                                                            
     When   members  of   the  United   State  Congress   authorized                                                            
     competitive  leases  in NPR-A  in  1980, they  recognized  that                                                            
     competitive  leases  in  NPR-A in  1980, they  recognized  that                                                            
     development  in  the petroleum  reserve might  severely  impact                                                            
     development  in  the petroleum  reserve  might severely  impact                                                            
     communities  in  or near  the area.   The  federal legislation                                                             
     communities  in  or near  the area.   The  federal  legislation                                                            
     directed  that the revenue generated through  NPR-A development                                                            
     directed  that the revenue generated through  NPR-A development                                                            
     be  used  first   to  mitigate  direct  impacts,   if  any,  to                                                            
     be  used   first  to  mitigate  direct  impacts,   if  any,  to                                                            
     municipalities,  and then by  the rest of the State  of Alaska.                                                            
     municipalities,  and then by  the rest of the State  of Alaska.                                                            
     This  federal directive  in 1980 created  two troubling  issues                                                            
     This  federal directive  in 1980 created  two troubling  issues                                                            
     that today pose significant problems.                                                                                      
     that today pose significant problems.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     First, the  federal legislation is in direct  conflict with the                                                            
     First,  the federal legislation is in direct  conflict with the                                                            
     Alaska State  Constitution.  The State of Alaska  receives from                                                            
     Alaska  State Constitution.  The State of Alaska  receives from                                                            
     the  federal  government  50  percent of  royalties  and  lease                                                            
     the  federal  government  50  percent of  royalties  and  lease                                                            
     payments  from  the  oil and  gas  development  in NPR-A.    As                                                            
     payments  from  the  oil and  gas  development  in  NPR-A.   As                                                            
     required  by federal  law, these  funds  are available,  before                                                            
     required  by federal  law,  these funds  are available,  before                                                            
     consideration of any  other public purpose, to communities that                                                            
     consideration  of any other public purpose, to communities that                                                            
     demonstrate  impact from resource  development in NPR-A.   This                                                            
     demonstrate  impact from resource  development in  NPR-A.  This                                                            
     directive  is  at  odds with  Article  IX,  Section  15 of  our                                                            
     directive  is  at  odds with  Article  IX,  Section  15 of  our                                                            
     constitution.                                                                                                              
     constitution.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     "At least  twenty-five per cent  of all mineral lease  rentals,                                                            
     royalties,  royalty  sale  proceeds,  federal  mineral  revenue                                                            
     sharing  payments and  bonuses received  by the State  shall be                                                            
     placed in a permanent fund."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Senate Bill  171 recognizes this unsettling conflict,  but does                                                            
     not overtly  address or remedy  the conflict between  our State                                                            
     Constitution  and federal law.   This issue, while bothersome,                                                             
     is  set aside  for  another  day.   Instead,  this legislation                                                             
     speaks to the second  troublesome issue of how the federal NPR-                                                            
     A payments  are distributed to  Alaska communities that  may be                                                            
     severely  impacted  by  oil  and  gas  development  within  the                                                            
     National  Petroleum  Reserve.   With the  sizeable increase  in                                                            
     NPR-A lease payments  since 2000 and with the clear expectation                                                            
     of future  and profitable  growth, now  is the time to  revisit                                                            
     how  the NPR-A payments  are distributed  and  why.  It  is the                                                            
     charge  of  the  legislature  to  devise  a  method  to  fairly                                                            
     allocate  the financial  benefits of NPR-A  to all citizens  of                                                            
     Alaska  while, at  the same  time, recognize  and mitigate  the                                                            
     direct  impact   of  development  on  certain  communities   as                                                            
     required by federal law.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     In response  to a 1986 Alaska  Superior Court decision,  Senate                                                            
     Bill 171  sets in place a system to grant impact  assistance to                                                            
     municipalities  most directly  or severely impacted  by oil and                                                            
     gas activity  within the National  Petroleum Reserve  - Alaska.                                                            
     First,  the Department  of  Commerce, Community,  and  Economic                                                            
     Development  shall review and conduct a preliminary  evaluation                                                            
     of each  grant application to  determine whether the  community                                                            
     can  demonstrate   "extraordinary  municipal  and  educational                                                             
     operating expenditures  attributable to oil and gas development                                                            
     in  NPR-A  that   are  beyond  the  municipality's   reasonable                                                            
     capability  to meet."    (See SB 171,  page 3, lines 3-6)   The                                                            
     department  will submit  a list of all  qualifying projects  to                                                            
     the legislature.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Second, the  Special Legislative Oil and Gas  NPR-A Development                                                            
     Impact  Review  Committee,  composed  of three  Senate  finance                                                            
     members  and three  House  of Representative  finance  members,                                                            
     will  review  the submitted  applications  and  within 45  days                                                            
     forward  the  committee's  recommendation   to  the  respective                                                            
     finance committees for possible funding.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Third,  twenty-five  percent  of  the NPR-A  payments  will  be                                                            
     deposited to the principal  of the Alaska Permanent Fund and .5                                                            
     percent  to the  Public School  Trust Fund,  as required  in AS                                                            
     37.14.110.  If the  amounts awarded to qualified municipalities                                                            
     as  grants exceed  the  available money,  each  deposit in  the                                                            
     previously  mentioned  funds  and  each  grant will  be  reduce                                                            
     proportionately.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     And last,  a successful grantee shall submit  to the Department                                                            
     of Commerce,  Community, and  Economic Development a  financial                                                            
     report  and a copy of an independent  audit or review  covering                                                            
     any previous  grants before any subsequent grants  are awarded.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     I would appreciate your support for Senate Bill 171.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:07:13 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken gave a presentation titled, "NPR-A Impact                                                                       
Mitigation Program" [copy on file] as follows.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     "The duty  imposed by the federal  government ultimately  falls                                                            
     upon the Alaska Legislature…"                                                                                              
     Barrow vs. State                                                                                                           
     Judge Walter Carpeneti, March 18, 1986                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:07:31 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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     Alaska Constitution vs. Alaska Statute                                                                                     
        · Current Impact Mitigation Program                                                                                     
        · Importance of "Impact"                                                                                                
        · Senate Bill 171                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken outlined the topics that would be addressed in the                                                              
presentation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:07:40 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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     National Petroleum Reserve - AK                                                                                            
     [Map of northern Alaska showing NPRA, the Alaska National                                                                  
     Wildlife Refuge, the Trans-Alaska Pipeline, Native owned                                                                   
     lands, certain oil fields and other points of reference]                                                                   
         · 23.5 million-acre petroleum reserve (~ Indiana)                                                                      
        · NW third of Alaska's arctic between the Brooks Range and                                                              
          the Arctic Ocean                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken identified this area of conflict is approximately                                                               
the size of the state of Indiana.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:08:16 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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     The history of NPR-A                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     1923       President Warren Harding established the Navel                                                                  
                Petroleum Reserve                                                                                               
     1976       Dept. of Interior assumed jurisdiction and changed                                                              
                the name                                                                                                        
     1980       Congress addressed changes to National Petroleum                                                                
                Reserve - AK                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:08:36 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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     Changes in 1980                                                                                                            
        · Congress authorized competitive leases in NPR-A (42                                                                   
          U.S.C. Sec. 6508)                                                                                                     
        · Federal law cleared the way for the private development                                                               
          of NPR-A resources                                                                                                    
        · State of Alaska to receive 50% of the total revenue from                                                              
          NPR-A leases                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:08:54 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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     The legislature responded                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     To  the  new  federal  law: "The  State  is  required  to  give                                                            
     priority  to communities 'most  directly or severely  impacted'                                                            
     by development."                                                                                                           
        · Established an NPR-A Special Revenue Fund within the                                                                  
           Department of Revenue (CS SB 835 am H, 1982)                                                                         
             o Half of NPR-A receipts appropriated to communities                                                               
                affected by leasing                                                                                             
             o Other half available for state appropriation                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:09:19 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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     But Governor Hammond Vetoed                                                                                                
     "The  dedication  of  such  federal  monies  appears  to  be  …                                                            
     inconsistent  with  the dedication  of  revenue  to the  Alaska                                                            
     Permanent Fund." Governor  Hammond, Veto Message, June 24, 1982                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska State Constitution                                                                                                  
     Article IX Section 15                                                                                                      
     Alaska Permanent Fund                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     "At  least twenty-five  percent of all  mineral lease  rentals,                                                            
     royalties,  royalty  sale  proceeds,  federal  mineral  revenue                                                            
     sharing  payments and  bonuses received  by the State  shall be                                                            
     placed in a permanent fund." (Adopted in 1976)                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken submitted  that few  Alaskans are  aware that  four                                                            
communities  and one borough  have "jumped  ahead" of deposits  into                                                            
the  Alaska  Permanent   Fund  in  receiving  appropriations.   Most                                                            
Alaskans assume the royalties are shared equally.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:10:08 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  noted that some would argue that  the royalties are                                                            
"received"  after the four  communities are  allotted a portion.  He                                                            
contended that  the funds should be  considered "received"  once the                                                            
federal government appropriates them.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:10:31 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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     And so the legislature…                                                                                                    
     Without a specific state law on the books…                                                                                 
        · Received $48.6M during the early 1980s                                                                                
        · Deposited half of the State's share into the Permanent                                                                
          Fund and .5% to the Public School Fund                                                                                
        · Deposited the remainder of the funds in the General Fund                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:10:52 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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     Calculation by Alaska Constitution                                                                                         
     In 1982, the Legislature appropriated the NPR-A receipts                                                                   
     according to the Alaska State Constitution                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     NPR-A Receipts                            $48,600,000                                                                      
     50% of gross receipts to Perm Fund        (24,300,000)                                                                     
     .5 of gross receipts to Public School                                                                                      
          Trust                                   (243,000)                                                                     
     Available to General Fund for Impacted                                                                                     
          Communities                           24,057,000                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:11:05 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Page 10                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     But what about the federal law?                                                                                            
        · In 1985, the North Slope Borough and NPR-A communities                                                                
          sued the state                                                                                                        
        · The plaintiffs wanted:                                                                                                
          1. A "rational process" for communities to apply for the                                                              
          grants                                                                                                                
          2. Declaration that all NPR-A funds be automatically                                                                  
          deposited into the special revenue fund and available for                                                             
          grants                                                                                                                
          3. A system to separately account the receipt of NPR-A                                                                
          funds and to reconstitute the special revenue fund                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken emphasized the reference to a revenue fund as                                                                   
opposed to the Alaska Permanent Fund. The special revenue fund is                                                               
not unlike the Alaska Mental Health Trust fund.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:11:39 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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     The Superior Court said…                                                                                                   
     Barrow v. State, Alaska Superior Court, Judge Walter                                                                       
     Carpeneti, March 18, 1986                                                                                                  
          1. The State is required to establish a system to grant                                                               
          impact assistance to subdivisions most directly or                                                                    
          severely impacted by NPR-A activity.                                                                                  
          2. Automatic deposits into the Permanent Fund and General                                                             
          Fund violates the federal law.                                                                                        
          3. Under the supremacy clause of the federal                                                                          
          constitution, federal law controls.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken identified this as "tension" between the Alaska                                                                 
State Constitution and federal law.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:12:14 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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     The legislature listened                                                                                                   
        · Adopted legislation to implement the court findings (CS                                                               
          HB 491(FIN), 1986)                                                                                                    
             o Established the Impact Mitigation Program                                                                        
             o Authorized DCCED to adopt regulations setting                                                                    
                eligibility criteria for NPR-A grants                                                                           
        · Appropriated $24.5 million to the NPR-A special revenue                                                               
          fund                                                                                                                  
     Judge Carpeneti ruled that the NPR-A special revenue fund be                                                               
     reconstituted. The $24.5 million payment was in response to                                                                
     this ruling.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:12:38 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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     Where did the money go?                                                                                                    
      First and foremost, grants to four impacted communities                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     After that…                                                                                                                
     1. 50 percent to the principal of the Perm Fund                                                                            
     2. .5 percent to the Public School Trust Fund                                                                              
     3. Remaining amounts to the General Fund                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Note:  In 1999,  HCS CS  SB 157 (FIN)  am H  (1999) passed  the                                                            
     legislature  and requires a 25%  deposit to the Permanent  Fund                                                            
     and  allows  a deposit  to  the Power  Cost  Equalization  fund                                                            
     before the General Fund.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:12:57 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Page 14                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Calculation by Alaska Statute                                                                                              
     (AS 37.05.530(g))                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Conforms with 1980  federal law which conflicts with our Alaska                                                            
     Constitution                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
    NPR-A Federal Receipts                         $31,623,800                                                                  
     Grants to NPR-A Communities (DCCED Rec)        (24,706,500)                                                                
    Net NPR-A Receipts                               6,917,300                                                                  
     25% of Net Receipts to Permanent Fund           (1,729,300)                                                                
     .5% of Net Receipts to Public School Trust         (34,600)                                                                
      Available Receipts for PCE (May be approp.)   5,153,400                                                                   
     Available for General Fund                 Remainder if any                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     (Example uses requested FY 06 numbers)                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken revealed that the premise that NPR-A receipts are                                                               
"sacred to the Permanent Fund" is untrue.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:14:00 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Page 15                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Comparison of Two Methods                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     AK Constitution vs. AK Statutes                                                                                            
                                     AK Constitution      AK Statutes                                                           
                                     Art. IX, Sec. 15   (per fed law)                                                           
     NPR-A Federal Receipts              $31,623,800      $31,623,800                                                           
     25% of Gross Rcpts to Perm Fund    (7,906,000)                                                                             
     .5% of Gross Rcpts to School Fund    (158,100)                                                                             
     Grants  to Communities (DCCED  Rec) (23,559,700)     (24,706,500)                                                          
     25% of Net Receipts to Perm Fund                      (1,729,300)                                                          
     .5% of Net Receipts to School Fund                     (34,600)                                                            
     Available Rcpts for PCE (May Approp)        0.0        5,153,400                                                           
     Available Receipts for GENERAL FUND      0.0  Remainder if any                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Example uses requested FY 06 amount.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken remarked  this demonstrates the conflict between the                                                            
Constitution  and statute. The affect  is "shorting my grandkids  by                                                            
80 percent"  of  the amount  stipulated  by the  Constitution.  "The                                                            
future  is being  shorted by  this federal  law"  that provides  the                                                            
Permanent Fund could receive  NPR-A receipts only after the requests                                                            
of four  communities  and one borough  government  are provided.  He                                                            
noted this issue  is not addressed in this bill and  is a matter for                                                            
future consideration.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:15:30 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Page 16                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     NPR-A                                                                                                                      
     Impact Mitigation Program                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska Constitution vs. Alaska Statute                                                                                     
     Current Impact Mitigation Program                                                                                          
     Importance of "Impact"                                                                                                     
     Senate Bill 171                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:15:36 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Page 17                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     The Current Mitigation Program                                                                                             
     Committee Substitute for House Bill 491 (FIN), 1986                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     U.S. Dept of Interior notifies Dept. of Commerce, Community                                                                
     and Economic Development regarding possible NPR-A Federal                                                                  
     Receipts                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     [Flow Chart demonstrating subsequent process as follows:                                                                   
          NPR-A Communities                                                                                                     
          1. Public Notice & Request for Applications                                                                           
          DCCED                                                                                                                 
          2. Requests                                                                                                           
          Review Committee                                                                                                      
          3. Evaluate & Recommend Proposals                                                                                     
          Legislature                                                                                                           
          4. Commissioner Requests Funding                                                                                      
          DCCED                                                                                                                 
          5. OK Funding?]                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:16:12 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Page 18                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Where are the Communities?                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     [Map of NPRA and surrounding area with four communities                                                                    
     identified as follows:                                                                                                     
          City of Barrow                                                                                                        
          Population - 4,351                                                                                                    
          Median Household Income - $67,097                                                                                     
          City  Responsibilities -  Bingo, Community Center,  Roller                                                            
          and  Ice Rink, Teen and  Recreation Center, Housing,  City                                                            
          Hall,  Little Dribblers,  Taxis, Summer Youth Employment,                                                             
          Gravel Sales                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          City of Wainwright                                                                                                    
          Population - 531                                                                                                      
          Median Household Income - $54,722                                                                                     
          City Responsibilities - None listed                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
          City of Nuiqsut                                                                                                       
          Population - 430                                                                                                      
          Median Household Income - $48,036                                                                                     
          City Responsibilities - Community Hall, Dock, Cable TV                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          City of Atqasuk                                                                                                       
          Population - 218                                                                                                      
          Median Household Income - $66,607                                                                                     
          City Responsibilities - Bingo, Room Rentals, Community                                                                
          Center, Recreation, Cable TV                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          Source: DCCED and Alaska Municipal League - Alaska                                                                    
          Municipal Officials Directory]                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:17:01 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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     Total Distribution to Date                                                                                                 
     …and FY 07 projections                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     [Bar  graph  showing  Amount of  the  Grant Awards  in  amounts                                                            
     between $0  and $50,000 for the years 1980 through  1986 and FY                                                            
     87 through  FY 08. A  notation states:  FY 06 is the  requested                                                            
     amount. FY  07 is the projected amount from the  proposed NPR-A                                                            
     summer lease sales.]                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Since 1980, a total of $117,249,388 has been awarded to 4                                                                  
     communities.                                                                                                               
     (Total includes the FY 06 requested amount of $24,706,500)                                                                 
     (FY 87 and FY 91 include 5 communities)                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Wilken  noted   the  years  with   significantly   higher                                                            
distributions.  The amount  for FY 05 is expected  to be almost  $50                                                            
million and future distributions would increase further.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:18:15 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Page 20                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     A Perspective in Statewide Terms                                                                                           
     What if … the FY 06 requested grant amount was computed on a                                                               
     per person basis, what would that mean for other AK                                                                        
     communities on 7/1/05?                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Anchorage                                                                                                                  
     Population - 277,498                                                                                                       
     $1.2 billion                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Fairbanks                                                                                                                  
     Population - 84,979                                                                                                        
     $379.7 million                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     NW Arctic Borough                                                                                                          
     Population - 7,306                                                                                                         
     $32.6 million                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Bethel                                                                                                                     
     Population - 5,888                                                                                                         
     $26.3 million                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Sitka                                                                                                                      
     Population - 8,805                                                                                                         
     $39.4 million                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     The FY 06 requested amount, $24,706,539, is divided by the                                                                 
     total population of NPR-A grant recipients, 5,530, for a per                                                               
     person amount, $4,468.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  commented that this  demonstrates the imbalance.  A                                                            
large  area of  the State  with a small  population  has "jumped  in                                                            
front of the  Permanent Fund" and  has benefited from a system  that                                                            
"is  far above  the  spirit  of the  law."  Although  following  the                                                            
"letter  of the law",  the current  practice does  not reflect  "the                                                            
spirit of the law." This is big money.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:19:55 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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     NPR-A                                                                                                                      
     Impact Mitigation Program                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska Constitution vs. Alaska Statute                                                                                     
     Current Impact Mitigation Program                                                                                          
     Importance of "Impact"                                                                                                     
     Senate Bill 171                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:20:02 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Page 22                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Where is NPR-A O&G Activity?                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     [Map  of northern  Alaska  showing  NPRA, the  Alaska  National                                                            
     Wildlife  Refuge,  the  Trans-Alaska   Pipeline,  Native  owned                                                            
     lands, certain oil fields and other points of reference]                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Proximity to Current NPR-A Oil and Gas Activity                                                                            
     Wainwright - 220 miles                                                                                                     
     Barrow - 160 miles                                                                                                         
     Nuiqsut - 6 miles                                                                                                          
     Atqasuk - 160 miles                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken noted on map.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:20:39 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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     And the main O&G Activity?                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     [Map showing  area of North Slope Oil and Gas  Activity between                                                            
     the  eastern  boundary  of the  National  Petroleum  Reserve  -                                                            
     Alaska  and the  western boundary  of the 1002  Area of  ANWAR.                                                            
     Highlighted  are:  Units,  Drill  Pad,  Town  Location,  Dalton                                                            
     Highway,  Trans-Alaska  Pipeline,  Oil Accumulations,  and  Gas                                                            
     Accumulations.]                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:21:28 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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     Today "IMPACT" is rated as a minimum consideration                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     FY 01 NPR-A                                                                                                                
     Impact Mitigation Program                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Basis for Recommendation                                                                                                   
          Description - 15 points                                                                                               
          Impact - 50 points                                                                                                    
          Budget - 15 points                                                                                                    
          Readiness - 15 points                                                                                                 
          Capability - 5 points                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     FY 03 NPR-A                                                                                                                
     Impact Mitigation Program                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Basis for Recommendation                                                                                                   
          Description - 30 points                                                                                               
          Impact - 30 points                                                                                                    
          Budget - 20 points                                                                                                    
          Sustain - 15 points                                                                                                   
          Capability - 5 points                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     FY 05 NPR-A                                                                                                                
     Impact Mitigation Program                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Basis for Recommendation                                                                                                   
          Description - 25 points                                                                                               
          Impact - 25 points                                                                                                    
          Budget - 20 points                                                                                                    
          Sustain - 20 points                                                                                                   
          Capability - 10 points                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     As administered by the Department of Commerce, Community and                                                               
     Economic Development                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  stated that the federal government  requires that a                                                            
community  must be  impacted  to receive  these grants.  This  slide                                                            
demonstrates  the point system  applied for  grant applications.  He                                                            
noted that  in FY 01, one-half of  the criteria was based  on impact                                                            
compared to current standards,  in which impact accounts for only 25                                                            
percent. In 1980, the federal  government established that impact is                                                            
the "bar  that must be  passed". This legislation  addresses  how to                                                            
define and determine impact.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:22:40 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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     What does the law say?                                                                                                     
        · Federal Law - 42 U.S.C. 6508                                                                                          
             o In allocation of the NPR-A funds, the State shall                                                                
                give priority to use by subdivisions of the State                                                               
                most directly or severely impacted by the                                                                       
                development of oil and gas leased in NPR-A.                                                                     
        · Alaska State Law - AS 37.05.530                                                                                       
             o A municipality may use the NPR-A funds only for                                                                  
                services to alleviate the impact of oil and gas                                                                 
                development within NPR-A.                                                                                       
        · Alaska Regulations - 3 AAC 150.050                                                                                    
             o Impact means an effect reasonably attributable to                                                                
                NPR-A oil and gas activities under 42 U.S.C. 6508.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken pointed out the language provides that the impact                                                               
must result from oil and gas activities in NPR-A and not activities                                                             
on the North Slope or Prudhoe Bay.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:23:22 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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     Rags Define Impact to Mean                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Reasonably attributable to NPR-A oil and gas activities on the                                                             
     following (3 AAC 150.050):                                                                                                 
        · Population                                                                                                            
        · Employment                                                                                                            
        · Finances                                                                                                              
        · Social/Cultural Values                                                                                                
        · Air & Water Quality                                                                                                   
        · Fish & Wildlife Habitat                                                                                               
        · Ability to Provide Services                                                                                           
        · Other Demonstrable Important Things                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken commented to the broadness of these criteria,                                                                   
remarking that there is not any activity that could not be                                                                      
attributed to a category in some manner.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:23:46 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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     Impact is the First Criteria                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     [Flow chart following a project request as follows.                                                                        
          Impacted??:                                                                                                           
                Municipality?                                                                                                   
                Directly or severely impacted?                                                                                  
                Reasonably attributable to…?                                                                                    
          No - Application Rejected                                                                                             
          Yes - Scored                                                                                                          
                Description                                                                                                     
                Budget                                                                                                          
                Sustainability                                                                                                  
                Capability                                                                                                      
          No - Request not Funded                                                                                               
          Yes - Funded                                                                                                          
                Appropriation by the Legislature]                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     The State shall give priority to subdivisions of the State                                                                 
     most directly or severely impacted (42 U.S.C. 6508)                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken explained that SB 171 proposes to rearrange how                                                                 
project requests are considered.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:24:47 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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     An example for review                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Wainwright Lagoon Boat Launce - $525,000 - To replace or                                                                   
     renovate the Wainwright Lagoon Boat Ramp                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     "Impact" on Population                                                                                                     
     Applicant                                                                                                                  
          "Construction of the oil production infrastructure and                                                                
          pipeline has driven up the growth of population."                                                                     
     But…                                                                                                                       
          The population of Wainwright has increased from 492 to                                                                
          546 in 1990 - 2000.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     "Impact" on Employment and Finances                                                                                        
     Applicant                                                                                                                  
          "Due to decline in property tax revenues from aging oil                                                               
          and gas infrastructure, the Borough cannot financially                                                                
          help the community."                                                                                                  
     But…                                                                                                                       
          The reduction in revenue is not due to NPR-A development.                                                             
          In fact, NPR-A development will increase the borough                                                                  
          revenues.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken clarified the "but" represents his interpretation.                                                              
The population increase of Wainwright is negligible.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:25:57 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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     …and to continue                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Wainwright Lagoon Boat Launch - $525,000                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     "Impact" on Social and Cultural Values                                                                                     
     Applicant                                                                                                                  
          "The social disruption prompted by oil and gas                                                                        
          development affects many traditional activities."                                                                     
     But…                                                                                                                       
          Wainwright is 220 miles from NPR-A development.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     "Impact" on Fish and Wildlife Habitat                                                                                      
     Applicant                                                                                                                  
          "Access to hunting areas would change in oil development                                                              
          reduces the availability of subsistence resources."                                                                   
     But…                                                                                                                       
          Past experience at Prudhoe Bay has shown that O&G                                                                     
          activities and wildlife can co-exist.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Question: Were the listed impacts reasonably attributable to                                                               
     oil and gas development within NPR-A?                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     A review committee of three rated "Impact" only 20 points out                                                              
     of 100, the project was recommended.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken concluded that the impact of NPR-A was not                                                                      
significant to warrant this project.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:26:34 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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     And another example…                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     City of Barrow Impound and Disposal Site Project - $174,389                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     "Impact" on Visual Resources                                                                                               
     Applicant                                                                                                                  
          "Many  of the abandoned  vehicles that the City  of Barrow                                                            
          has  allowed people to dump  on city land were  brought to                                                            
          Barrow  during  the oil boom  in the last  quarter  of the                                                            
          20th century."                                                                                                        
     But…                                                                                                                       
          The  "oil boom"  discussed was outside  NPR-A. The  impact                                                            
          must   be  "reasonably   attributable"  to  oil   and  gas                                                            
          development within NPR-A.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     No other impact was stated by the applicant                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Question: Was the listed impact reasonably attributable to oil                                                             
     and gas development within NPR-A?                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     The review committee rated "Impact" between 20 - 24 points out                                                             
     of 100; the project was recommended.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:27:00 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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     And another one…                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Roller Rink Renovation Feasibility Study - $63,556 - to                                                                    
     identify the costs to renovate the Barrow Roller Rink                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     "Impact" on Employment                                                                                                     
     Applicant                                                                                                                  
          "Although  an estimated  4.000 jobs exist on the  N. Slope                                                            
          in the  O&G industry only a fraction are held by Inupiat."                                                            
     But…                                                                                                                       
          The  vast majority of the jobs in the O&G industry are not                                                            
           reasonably attributable to NPR-A development.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     "Impact" on Unemployment                                                                                                   
     Applicant                                                                                                                  
          "As  the economic  benefits  of O&G  development begin  to                                                            
          decline, it leaves members less able to survive…"                                                                     
     But…                                                                                                                       
          The  decline  in O&G  development  is not  in NPR-A;  this                                                            
          petroleum reserve is just beginning to be explored.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:27:37 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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     …and to continue                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     City of Barrow Roller Rink Renovation Feasibility Study -                                                                  
     $63,556                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     "Impact" on Social and Cultural Values                                                                                     
     Applicant                                                                                                                  
          "The  decline in  subsistence resources  due to NPR-A  O&G                                                            
          development negatively impacts the Inupiat culture."                                                                  
     But…                                                                                                                       
          Studies  are currently undertaken to determine  the impact                                                            
          to  wildlife, if any, to  Barrow residents 160  miles from                                                            
          Alpine.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     "Impact" on Public Services                                                                                                
     Applicant                                                                                                                  
          Although  the population has had a small,  net loss in the                                                            
          previous  five years, the burden on the City of Barrow has                                                            
          not been reduced.                                                                                                     
     But…                                                                                                                       
          Most  of  the workers  connected  with  NPR-A development                                                             
          reside  on the oil company's  production sites  and not in                                                            
          local towns.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Question: Were the listed impacts reasonably attributable to                                                               
     oil and gas development within NPR-A?                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     A review committee of three rated "Impact" between 15 - 25                                                                 
     points out of 100; the project was recommended.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken suggested that the roller rink project was not                                                                  
qualified to receive NPR-A funds.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:28:23 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green asked if the project is to renovate the roller rink                                                              
for a different function that would either provide increased                                                                    
employment or address cultural impact, etc.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:28:48 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken replied that this project is intended to study the                                                              
feasibility of renovating a roller rink.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:29:00 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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     Additional Concerns                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
        · Grants are all funded as capital projects and the dollars                                                             
          do not lapse (AS 37.25.020)                                                                                           
             o But less than 40% of the grants are for capital                                                                  
                projects (the majority of grants are for operating                                                              
                expenses)                                                                                                       
        · Funds are approved before old grants for the same purpose                                                             
          are expended…                                                                                                         
             o As an example of many grants, only 15% of an FY 04                                                               
                group operating grant of $1,759,484 to survey                                                                   
                wildlife is disbursed, but an FY 06 grant for                                                                   
                $2,461,368 is recommended for the same purpose                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:29:45 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green asked if the two grants are intended to study                                                                    
wildlife in different areas.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:29:50 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  responded that the description for  the FY 06 grant                                                            
is  identical to  that  of the  earlier request  and  that he  could                                                            
therefore  not  determine  whether  the  surveys  are  intended  for                                                            
different geographical areas.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:29:59 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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     To continue                                                                                                                
        · Few grants follow timelines                                                                                           
             o Only 40% of grant funds scheduled for completion on                                                              
                6/30/05 has been spent                                                                                          
        · Awards are not based on successful completion of previous                                                             
          grants                                                                                                                
                FY 00 - Nuiqsut Cultural Center Construction                                                                    
               $939,800 - Not Started as of 4/26/05                                                                             
                But                                                                                                             
                FY 02 - Nuiqsut Cultural Center Operating $288,000                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     These grants funds will be used for new projects without                                                                   
     notice to or approval from the legislature.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken remarked that this "speaks to" the requirement for                                                              
oversight of the grant program.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
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     NPR-A                                                                                                                      
     Impact Mitigation Program                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska Constitution vs. Alaska Statute                                                                                     
     Current Impact Mitigation Program                                                                                          
     Importance of "Impact"                                                                                                     
     Senate Bill 171                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:30:45 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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     Now is the time                                                                                                            
     To listen to the Alaska  Superior Court (Barrow v. State, March                                                            
     18, 1986):                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     "The duty  imposed by the federal  government ultimately  falls                                                            
     upon  the Alaska  Legislature  and it  includes  the duties  to                                                            
     examine the claimed  needs of the subdivisions arising from oil                                                            
     and  gas development  impacts,  to evaluate  them  and, if  the                                                            
     claimed  needs are  found to exist,  to rate  them in order  of                                                            
     priority, and to meet them out of NPR-A revenues."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken stated that this legislation is based on this court                                                             
opinion.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:31:20 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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     Legislature has authority…                                                                                                 
     1. To examine the claims for financial assistance                                                                          
     2. To evaluate and rank the grant requests                                                                                 
     3. To  determine the  appropriate amount  of NPR-A revenue  for                                                            
     use by impacted municipalities                                                                                             
     4. To determine the specific projects that are funded                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Legal Services memorandum, March 18, 2005                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:31:38 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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     Senate Bill 171                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "It  is the  intent of  the legislature  to  provide  temporary                                                            
     emergency  financial   assistance  to  municipalities  for  the                                                            
     purpose of meeting  certain extraordinary operating and capital                                                            
     improvement  expenditures  necessitated  by NPR-A  oil and  gas                                                            
     development."  (Section 1. LEGISLATIVE  INTENT in the  proposed                                                            
     legislation.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
        · Establishes a Legislative Impact Review Committee                                                                     
           (composed of 3 finance members of each body)                                                                         
             o Consults with DCCED and then approves and forwards                                                               
                grant recommendations to respective finance                                                                     
                committees.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  explained the proposed review committee  is modeled                                                            
after the legislative  conference committee process.  Two members of                                                            
the majority  and one member  of the minority  party from each  body                                                            
would  serve and  two  affirmative  votes from  each  body would  be                                                            
required  to fund an award.   This standing  committee would  review                                                            
all  requests  and  submit  recommendations   to  the  full  finance                                                            
committees for inclusion in the annual capital appropriation.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:32:15 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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     And to continue                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
        · Deposits to unique funds are based on the total federal                                                               
          NPR-A receipts                                                                                                        
             o Perm Fund and Public School Trust                                                                                
        · Grants are awarded for one year, unless otherwise noted                                                               
        · Lapse money is appropriated to the Permanent Fund, School                                                             
          Trust, or General Fund                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:32:44 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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     Now is the time…                                                                                                           
     To consider SB 171                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     …and  establish  a  method to  fairly  allocate  the  financial                                                            
     benefits  of NPR-A  to all Alaskans  while,  at the same  time,                                                            
     mitigate   the  direct   impact  of   development  on   certain                                                            
     communities as required by federal law.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:33:11 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green  asked if  any language  in  this bill  would  amend                                                            
current statute.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:33:36 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  replied that as a result of a hearing  on this bill                                                            
by the  Senate  Community  and Regional  Affairs  Committee, it  was                                                            
determined  that  a  committee  substitute  would  be  necessary  to                                                            
provide "clean up". No subsequent changes are required.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  informed that some  interested parties were  unable                                                            
to  attend this  meeting  and desire  to  provide testimony  to  the                                                            
Senate  Finance  Committee.   Upon  hearing  these  comments  a  new                                                            
committee substitute  could be drafted  to incorporate suggestions.                                                             
Valid suggestions were  offered to the Senate Community and Regional                                                            
Affairs Committee.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:34:51 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman   referenced  page  20  of  the  presentation   and                                                            
commented  that   it  represents  the  "wishful  thinking"   if  all                                                            
communities in  the State were included in the NPR-A  grant program.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken affirmed.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:35:18 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green asked  the  communities  located within  a  220-mile                                                            
circumference of the Alpine development.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:35:48 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  offered to prepare such a map, referencing  the map                                                            
on page 22.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:36:13 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green asked which  additional communities would be included                                                            
in such a radius.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:36:27 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson responded  that the area would be limited to the North                                                            
Slope. He  pointed out  that the Brooks  Range is  not shown  on the                                                            
aforementioned  map, which includes an area approximately  150-miles                                                            
south of the Alpine development.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken demonstrated  on the map  the approximate  220-mile                                                            
radius from the Alpine development.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:37:29 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman  asked the intended  timeframe for this legislation                                                             
as it brings  up concerns of local  residents. He wanted  to know if                                                            
the  bill  would be  reviewed  over  the  legislative  interim  with                                                            
recommendations  implemented  and  passage  expected  in January  or                                                            
February 2006.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:38:02 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  suggested that a subcommittee could  be established                                                            
comprised  of Senator  Stedman,  Senator  Dyson, Senator  Olson  and                                                            
himself. It would be beneficial  to have the Department overview the                                                            
24  grants awarded  and  the  "thought process"  as  to  how it  was                                                            
determined that the communities  were impacted by NPR-A development.                                                            
Whether  changes are  made to the  allocation of  the current  $24.6                                                            
million  is   a  discussion  for   the  full  Committee,   after  it                                                            
understands the projects involved.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  characterized  this legislation  as  a  "marathon"                                                            
rather  than a  "sprint" and  that NPR-A  receipts  would provide  a                                                            
long-term  funding source for  the State. He  wanted to ensure  that                                                            
all residents  of Alaska benefit, not just a few.  He did not expect                                                            
this  legislation  would  pass  during  the current  year,  but  was                                                            
confident  it would pass  during the second  session of the  Twenty-                                                            
fourth Legislature.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:39:20 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson  remarked  that  the  sponsor   made  a "compelling"                                                             
presentation; however,  he surmised, "there's more to the story". He                                                            
noted the map  on page 22 and argued  that a community located  220-                                                            
miles from  a full production oil  site is likely not significantly                                                             
impacted.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:40:13 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken relayed  that oil and gas development activities are                                                            
"reaching  out" approximately  30 west  of the current  site  of the                                                            
Alpine  development. Exploration  is  going no  further because,  if                                                            
discoveries  are made there is no  infrastructure for developments.                                                             
He indicated other  areas within the NPR-A that have  been surveyed,                                                            
although  the  oil companies  have  not reported  on  any  findings.                                                            
Resources  are expected to  be present as far  north as the  City of                                                            
Barrow.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  detailed  the  three-dimensional   seismic  survey                                                            
process in  which no explosives are  used. A probe is set  up during                                                            
winter months  and a "thumper"  is used during  summer months.  This                                                            
process  has   no  impact  on  terrain.   Caribou  populations   are                                                            
reportedly  growing  exponentially  since  the  1970s. Oil  and  gas                                                            
activities  are   assisting  the  caribou  population.   The  survey                                                            
activities are occurring  in a small portion of the area depicted on                                                            
the map.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:42:55 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  disagreed with Co-Chair  Wilken's assertion  that the                                                            
communities  are   not  significantly  impacted  because   of  their                                                            
distance from  oil development. Senator Olson indicated  a map [copy                                                            
not provided]  showing areas  of seismic  activities throughout  the                                                            
NPR-A  area. He  agreed  that  older technology  was  more  harmful;                                                            
however, the newer  method involving thumping has  an impact on land                                                            
animals and  a yet unmeasured impact  on marine mammals and  whales.                                                            
Before a company spends  millions of dollars on oil leases, it would                                                            
intend to gather  additional data and conduct more  seismic testing.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  shared that he has flown over the affected  areas and                                                            
told of  the "cat trains"  and impact on  vegetation throughout  the                                                            
entire NPR-A.  He had no  misconception that  this would affect  the                                                            
residents of Wainwright.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:45:32 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken responded  that the  map Senator  Olson  referenced                                                            
shows seismic  testing done during  the 1970s and 1980s.  No further                                                            
activities have occurred since.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:45:53 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson   noted  the  reference   to  the  amount   of  money                                                            
appropriated  to the communities  since the  1980s. He asked  if all                                                            
the funds had  been expended or if any had lapsed  and were returned                                                            
to the State.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:46:23 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  replied  that data  indicates  $18.7  million  has                                                            
reverted to the State general  fund over the life of the program. He                                                            
qualified that  the accounting of  the funds allocated in  the early                                                            
1980s  is difficult  to  ascertain because  funds  were transferred                                                             
between the North Slope Borough and the communities.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:46:54 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson  remarked that the potential impact  to marine mammals                                                            
is a valid  issue. He understood that  all seismic activities  occur                                                            
during winter  months and would therefore only impact  those mammals                                                            
present in the region at  that time. Therefore, the whale population                                                            
would not be impacted.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson  relayed the rhetoric  that Alaska's wealth  is mostly                                                            
located  in rural  Alaska  that that  benefits should  therefore  be                                                            
allocated   only   to  rural   communities.   However,   the   State                                                            
constitution  stipulates that  the resources  are held in trust  for                                                            
all citizens,  which results  in some constraints.  He commented  to                                                            
the premise  that two  sides exist  to every  story. He anticipated                                                             
testimony from  the Department of  Commerce, Community and  Economic                                                            
Development and other parities.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:49:08 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman admitted  to his  limited experience  with the  oil                                                            
industry. In  the region of State  he represents, noises  created by                                                            
jets and  gunshots do  not result  in significant  change in  animal                                                            
behavior.  He qualified that  the animals  in Northern Alaska  could                                                            
react differently.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:50:12 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson  agreed  that the  resources  must  be held  for  the                                                            
benefit  of all Alaskans,  but contended  that the responsibilities                                                             
must also be  considered. For example,  some villages have  no water                                                            
and sewer services.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson pointed out  an acoustical difference in the impact of                                                            
sound traveling  through air compared to a different  medium such as                                                            
the ground or water. This could cause a greater impact.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:51:11 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman  anticipated receiving information  on the impact of                                                            
oil  development  directly from  the  affected communities  and  the                                                            
reasoning  for the proposed  projects.  It is clear  that the  State                                                            
must  assist  in mitigating   the impacts  to  local  residents.  He                                                            
surmised this legislation  did not intent to ignore this obligation,                                                            
rather to review the details of the grant program.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:51:47 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  referenced the fiscal  note of $20,000.  The intent                                                            
is that the proposed committee  would travel to the four communities                                                            
to experience  the  impact directly.  No  one should  serve on  that                                                            
committee without having visited the areas.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:52:19 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green noted  the  application  process that  declares  the                                                            
impact and the  named project. She asked if the proposed  project is                                                            
required  to have  a  relationship  to the  impact,  or whether  the                                                            
funding source could be utilized for any purpose.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:53:05 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  noted the NPR-A Grant Status Report  as of 13/31/04                                                            
and stated  the Members  could  review that  grant applications  and                                                            
make their  own conclusions as to  the relationship of the  projects                                                            
to the impact  from oil and gas development. He suggested  that some                                                            
have no relationship.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green intended  that projects  demonstrating a  legitimate                                                            
cause and  affect from  oil and  gas activities  should be  granted.                                                            
However,  some  of  the  projects   "don't  lend  a  great  deal  of                                                            
confidence  of what's been  done in the past;  therefore we  have to                                                            
worry about what's going to be done in the future."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:54:04 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken agreed.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken then informed  that to conduct  seismic testing,  a                                                            
permit must be  obtained from the North Slope Borough.  He cited one                                                            
such permit  #LMR05142, and read the  "seismic stipulations",  which                                                            
stipulate  that  operations  must  not  interfere  with subsistence                                                             
activities  and that fuel must be  provided to hunters and  trappers                                                            
in the  event they  must travel  to alternate  hunting and  trapping                                                            
sites. The  seismic activities  are limited  in the impact  it could                                                            
have on the  tundra, must not interfere  with polar bear  or grizzly                                                            
bear denning, and an observer  must be present during testing. These                                                            
stipulations  ensure  that  seismic  activities  do not  impact  the                                                            
resources of the area.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green asked if a fee is imposed for the permits.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken did not know.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:55:56 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  requested the Department  of Commerce, Community  and                                                            
Economic Development answer questions relating to this bill.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:56:08 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green  noted this  hearing  is the  first  segment of  the                                                            
process in considering this legislation.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
The bill was HELD in Committee.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green adjourned the meeting at 10:57 AM                                                                                

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